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When Banned Smoke Heads Outdoors, Pedestrians Say They See New Threat
The New York Times ^ | April 5, 2003 | SHAILA K. DEWAN

Posted on 04/05/2003 1:21:38 AM PST by sarcasm

Now that the cigarettes are, in theory, banished from the great indoors, the foodies can freely sniff the aroma of their truffled entrees. The air in the taverns is at least as clear as the air on a subway platform.

But out in the park, it is awfully hard to breathe. Walking down the sidewalk can seem dangerously precancerous. Gardens and enclosed patios are suddenly, just on the brink of balmy weather, impossible settings for the pure of lung. And it seems reasonable to ask if pregnant women will soon be seeking refuge in bars.

The little knots of smokers who have been huddled near the doors of office buildings for years have sprouted, as predicted, in front of the city's bars and restaurants. But the problem is not the noise, which was so direly predicted before Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg's smoking ban took effect early this week. It is the smoke.

Workplace hazard? Think of the doormen, bouncers and valet parkers, not to mention the gardeners. Think of the man outside Guernica on Avenue B on Thursday night, next to the velvet rope. (Velvet really absorbs that tobacco odor.) He had just quit smoking, but thick plumes danced, temptingly, around him. Give this man, who lives in the Bronx and said his name is St. Eyes, a nicotine patch. His resolve is being tested.

"When I see everybody smoking cigarettes out here, it's a little tempting to ask them for one, but I've been depending on my willpower," St. Eyes said.

Over in Greenwich Village, Jean West, 46, came out of the Blue Note marveling at how fresh her clothing still smelled and giving active consideration to the potential health benefits of the ban. But, invoking every New Yorker's right to a whole menagerie of pet peeves, she quickly shifted to disgust.

"On the other hand," she said, "the streets are definitely starting to stink more. I feel like I'm always ducking the cloud, you know?"

Ms. West, a stagehand, held her nose and staggered around an imaginary cloud of tobacco smoke. "And if you want to go into a bar now, you have to walk through a pile of old butts," she said.

To some, it seems as if the city's ashtrays have been taken outside and collectively dumped in the streets, lending them the perpetual appearance of a shag carpet the day after the party.

"If you're inside the club, you ash in an ashtray," Joel Santiago, 32, complained to his friend Julani Benjamin, 24, outside the West End Bar on 113th Street and Broadway. "But now smokers are outside, and they just ash all over the place. I mean, stale butts, you know how bad that smells?"

There are places where alfresco smokers may as well be indoors. Like the recessed entrance to 11 West 42nd Street, where Simon Rosen, who often passes through the building on his way to work at the New York Public Library, runs the tobacco gantlet.

"Anytime you have a bunch of them with the smoke wafting, it's very unpleasant," said Mr. Rosen, who added that he was particularly sensitive to tobacco smoke. Then he said, "My eyes are starting to burn," and departed.

Forest fires are not the only hazard of outdoor smoking, as Anne Mullen, an ad producer, is quick to point out. Ms. Mullen, who has a baby daughter named Charlotte, said she had found herself paying extra attention to sidewalk smokers who flicked butts into the street, often at just the height of a baby stroller. If she is wheeling her daughter past a group of smokers, she is likely to go just a bit faster to minimize the exposure, she said.

Danielle Ferrari, 24, also had stroller issues. She pushed her daughter, fast asleep under a woolly pink blanket, past the Eden Bar on the Upper West Side. "When it's 10 people out on the sidewalk, and everybody's smoking, that's a whole lot of smoke you're talking about," Ms. Ferrari pointed out.

Other stroller-pushers took a resigned approach. "There's so much pollution already that a cigarette probably doesn't make it any worse," said Maria Gonzalez, chauffeuring her 3-year-old through Midtown.

Some restaurants and bars have taken a firm stance. "We don't allow them to smoke right in front of the establishment," said Robert Paulling, 35, a bouncer at the West End. "They can go to the corner, or down the street, just not in front of the bar. We figure, if customers have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get into the bar, what's the point of having a smoke-free bar now?"

Those who opposed the smoking ban in the first place were quick to criticize its effect on the great outdoors. "This law is going to make the city dirtier than it's ever been," warned Juliette Miller, a hostess at Gage & Tollner in the Fulton Mall in Brooklyn. "Wait till it's 90 degrees outside; we're all going to suffocate."


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1 posted on 04/05/2003 1:21:38 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
The lifestyle nazis will never be satisfied with anything less than to stamp out one's freedom to choose one's avocation without offending others.
2 posted on 04/05/2003 1:23:52 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: sarcasm
Gimme a break. Never mind exhaust fumes from cars and trucks and buses; cigarette smoking is the real danger. What a bunch of wusses these people are!

And this will be the next Bloomberg crusade -- banning outdoor smoking.

3 posted on 04/05/2003 1:41:42 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: sarcasm
Picture a group of smokers huddled around the entrance of a large office building. Now that same scene is repeated in front of all the bars in Manhattan - except without plenty of sidewalk space. It's annoying.
4 posted on 04/05/2003 1:55:17 AM PST by NewYorker
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To: NYCVirago
And this will be the next Bloomberg crusade -- banning outdoor smoking.

Bet on it. It's liberal incrementalism at its' best.

5 posted on 04/05/2003 4:16:20 AM PST by Living Free in NH
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To: sarcasm
It sure is funny what the mind can concieve when it is being brainwashed. I remember years ago; not one person who was boozing and smoking it up ever said anything about being sensative to smoke or booze. Oh yes, I am not against either.
6 posted on 04/05/2003 5:09:39 AM PST by freekitty
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To: freekitty
Rudy, this was one of your bad ideas to support Bloomberg. What a self-absorbing traitor this guy has turned out to be. Does anyone truly listen or watch Bloomberg news?
7 posted on 04/05/2003 5:12:38 AM PST by freekitty
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To: sarcasm; SheLion; metesky; Madame Dufarge
"But, invoking every New Yorker's right to a whole menagerie of pet peeves"

What's Bloomingidiots next pet peeve?
8 posted on 04/05/2003 5:18:43 AM PST by ozone1 (Partnership for a Liberal-Free Maine)
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To: ozone1
Bloomy must not have read about all our soldiers and marines smoking their brains out to relieve the pressure, eh?

I guess they're good enough to protect Bloomy's arrogant butt, but not good enough to have a smoke in a NY tavern.

Like Bloomy has ever been in a tavern or a nice joint like The Capeway.

9 posted on 04/05/2003 6:03:25 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: ozone1
From the Liberal/Left/Democrat playbook: "All behavior must be regulated (oh, except for a few things we like, e.g., abortion, drugs, perversion ..."
10 posted on 04/05/2003 6:06:10 AM PST by glennaro
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To: ozone1
What's Bloomingidiots next pet peeve?

This guy must be insufferable to live with.

What a Whine-A-Thon article.

Let me see if I can work up some sympathy......

Nope.

11 posted on 04/05/2003 7:57:41 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: sarcasm
What I want to know is, when are the people of New York gonna draw a line?

My guess, when it's too late and they have no say.


12 posted on 04/05/2003 8:01:36 AM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problem solved !)
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To: glennaro
Please don't forget those whining liberals in San Fransico whom want us to feel sorry for the bums that deficate and urinate on doorsteps of business.

Those people are OK but damn them smokers in New York City, their trying to kill us all with their second hand smoke.

13 posted on 04/05/2003 8:08:45 AM PST by codercpc
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To: sarcasm
And what do they say about the smoke from their tailpipe as the valet holds the car of the door open for them...right in front of the restaurant door.

The anti smoking people are absolutely nuts.
14 posted on 04/05/2003 8:10:37 AM PST by MissBaby
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To: sarcasm
I have added NY to my S%%* list of places not to go ever.

Hope they enjoy their isolation.

15 posted on 04/05/2003 8:11:24 AM PST by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: NewYorker
Picture a group of smokers huddled around the entrance of a large office building. Now that same scene is repeated in front of all the bars in Manhattan - except without plenty of sidewalk space. It's annoying.

Annoying? An entire segment of New York's population is being deprived of their liberty and you find this to be annoyed about? It may be time to re-calibrate your "what's really important" notions.

16 posted on 04/05/2003 8:20:22 AM PST by laredo44
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To: *puff_list
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17 posted on 04/05/2003 8:26:17 AM PST by Fraulein
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To: laredo44
Not a smoker, never have been, but I think this ban on smoking in bars is absolutely crazy. In the last post though I was focusing on the behavior changes that inevitably result from this sort of legislation. And yes, it is annoying, to dodge and weave down 2nd Avenue through the crowds in front of the bars.
18 posted on 04/05/2003 8:33:16 AM PST by NewYorker
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To: NewYorker
I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that. (Looks like I may need to re-calibrate my reading comprehension scores).
20 posted on 04/05/2003 8:56:00 AM PST by laredo44
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